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cheddarbox · Aug 21, 2007, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Since I've heard about it, I'm psyched. It has a lot of similarities to guild wars from what I've heard. They're both MMORPGs that focus on the RPG aspect, but they're aiming for a faster paced game that rewards skill more then anything. They're both also made by ex-Blizzard employees.

On paper this game looks amazing and if it's as good as they say I'll be all over that.

Anyone else looking at this game?

Iuris · Aug 21, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Obsessed with it ever since I've seen the first cinematic. RPG, first person gameplay with lots of fireworks and a cyber-arcana setting - love the idea. Dream game.

Extremely worried about it, too, though.

The problem is the whole "Free online play" and "subscription" combination. I know a subscription option is extremely attractive to developers, but I fear that FSS has gone too far in their attempts to make the subscription option seem more attractive. They locked down game features that cost a minimum to maintain but that change the play experience drastically - things like shared storage and similar.

Also, since they are so hell bent on making additional content a subscriber only feature, I'm worried that there will be little incentive to create expansions.

In the end, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that FSS will implement a suggested at idea that at least some ongoing content will later be repackaged into a "content pack" that you pay for once and then keep.

On the other hand, nothing beats a nice trident salvo right up a minion's schnozzle

Brianna · Aug 21, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Well.. I thought Riverside Inn was supposed to be for discussion about Guild Wars. But yeah.. it looks alright.

EternalTempest · Aug 21, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

I pretty sure this will be moved to off-topic.

I feel the games that do this split free / subscription mode have to to very addicting / appealing for them to have a chance to work.

I do think what they done with Dungeon Runner.... is not enough / too much of a split.

I much perfer the GW model... and to be honest I would look at Archlord (same model as GW) before doing dungeon runner again... or considering Hellgate London.

I expect a payment for standard mmorph, but want a GW model. I'm NOT in to the fps game console subscription model for "on-line" play. aka Xbox360 Live stuff.

I don't think it will be this bad... but it does illustrate a good point.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/11

ockhams · Aug 21, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

looks like garbage.

EternalTempest · Aug 21, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I *want* to love this game, it looks very good... but the free/ paid + version is a major turn off for me.

That being said, I am so psyched about GW2 and free online play

That and BioShock, and Starcraft 2, Oblivion GOTY Edition...

Loviatar · Aug 21, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

right

buying the game gets you access to hellgate online store where your (or mommys) credit card gets you any equipment needed to avoid having to hide anytime someone else is near.

hellgate.............for those with the cash to really show their stuff

take that you poor slobs.

sounds sucky already but will draw eliteists like a magnet to prove once and for all my credit line is bigger than yours

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 21, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

The optional subscription program for HG:L isn't nearly as bad as what everyone thinks at first glance. All the extra stuff is really only cosmetic. Also, you can play it offline too. They mentioned being able to download your characters to play offline but haven't mentioned that feature in a while (you wouldn't be able to update your online character with any progress made offline).

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

right

buying the game gets you access to hellgate online store where your (or mommys) credit card gets you any equipment needed to avoid having to hide anytime someone else is near.

hellgate.............for those with the cash to really show their stuff

take that you poor slobs.

sounds sucky already but will draw eliteists like a magnet to prove once and for all my credit line is bigger than yours

No offense, but this is clearly the argument of a defensive fanboy. Understandable considering where we are. The reality of the situation is that there is no item mall as you imply. What the subscription actually does is unlock a pool of rare skins so they have a possibility of dropping for you. They don't drop for non-subscribers, nor can they equip them. They are cosmetic only and offer no tactical advantage, your statement shows an utter lacking of even bothering to read what the whole thing is actually about.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 21, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

<3 diablo... so <3 Hellgate:London

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 21, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

I much perfer the GW model... and to be honest I would look at Archlord (same model as GW) before doing dungeon runner again... or considering Hellgate London.

I'm sure I'll get a lot of flack for saying this here, but I actually prefer the HG:L method. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed GW for the most part, but it was also annoying at times. You can think of it as a long rollercoaster ride.

You've been playing GW for a while and there's nothing new going on, the rollercoaster is moving slowly along perfectly level track. You're bored to say the least. A couple more months and still the same old stuff. Then you hear about the next campaign, you slowly climb the first peak. You just bought the latest installment, the rollercoaster is zooming down the slope with everyone screaming and flailing their arms about. But before long, you're back to the slow level track of stagnant content and it'll be a while before the next peak.

The GW model gives you a large burst of new content with long periods of waiting in between. The HG:L model gives you small content updates every month with large updates every three months that contain everything from new zones/outposts/skins/monsters to new classes and factions.

I prefer the more frequent new content updates rather than the ones you can complete in a week then have nothing to do for another year.

What annoyed me the most about the GW model was how the campaigns ended up working out. Existing characters coming over had to deal with a little of the low lvl content that was really just a chore for them. Then the new characters are rushed through to max lvl and don't fully experience learning how to play the game. Both types of players end up missing out. The first actual expansion on the horizon is a step in the right direction, it probably would've been better to go that route from the beginning.

Sai of Winter · Aug 21, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

I've been looking forward to this game for over a year and I can't wait for it to come out in October. I wish I was in the alpha testing, can't wait to start my Hunter: Marksman and use a freakin' poison laser gun and the Templar: Blademaster looks really fun to play.

The F2P/P2P model isn't that big of a deal, Knightsaber pretty much explained it and there will be other additional features along with it, but nothing major. Of course HG:L is only two months away some things might change about the optional subscription part and I've read somewhere that even though the additional content that will be first available and ongoing for the subscribers, a few of that content will be ready for non-subscribers in future expansions. Don't know if it's true I haven't been reading the HG:L forums lately :/

Onarik Amrak · Aug 21, 2007, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I don't like the art style of the game. Looks poo in my opinion.

It just seems so generic.

cheddarbox · Aug 21, 2007, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Yeah the idea of the subscription fees kinda sucks, but is not a bad idea really....

From what I've read if you have an elite membership, the "expansion" or additional content will be free to download. So whenever an expansion comes out, you wont have to pay for it.

All of the ideas of the game are kick ass. It seems like they've thought a whole lot about what they didn't like, especially in regards to other blizzard games.

However, the game seems to be rushed as far as the release date goes, and on top of that the art and stuff does really seems kinda crappy and generic. I saw the videos on IGN which are supposed to be show off videos of each class. They were trash with garbage music sprinkled on top. A dude doing an attack or two about 30 times with generic "heavy metal" riffs in the back. Hopefully the finished result isn't nearly as poop-laced.

Malice Black · Aug 21, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

right

buying the game gets you access to hellgate online store where your (or mommys) credit card gets you any equipment needed to avoid having to hide anytime someone else is near.

hellgate.............for those with the cash to really show their stuff

take that you poor slobs.

sounds sucky already but will draw eliteists like a magnet to prove once and for all my credit line is bigger than yours

My CC limit is higher then yours

*strokes e-peen*

I'm going to try this, if it's good I'll pay the subscription fee, if it's just ok I'll just be a scrub and play the free version.

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 22, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by cheddarbox

However, the game seems to be rushed as far as the release date goes, and on top of that the art and stuff does really seems kinda crappy and generic. I saw the videos on IGN which are supposed to be show off videos of each class. They were trash with garbage music sprinkled on top. A dude doing an attack or two about 30 times with generic "heavy metal" riffs in the back. Hopefully the finished result isn't nearly as poop-laced.

I hardly see how it can be called rushed considering how far release has been pushed back to ensure it was completed to satisfaction. As far as the music and fighting, you sound like you just prefer the generic fantasy style of gameplay and motif; so this wouldn't suit you. But considering there is no other MMO of this genre in existence, I scarcely see how anyone can call it generic. Yet another fantasy MMO like Aion would be generic.

Onarik Amrak · Aug 22, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

I hardly see how it can be called rushed considering how far release has been pushed back to ensure it was completed to satisfaction. As far as the music and fighting, you sound like you just prefer the generic fantasy style of gameplay and motif; so this wouldn't suit you. But considering there is no other MMO of this genre in existence, I scarcely see how anyone can call it generic. Yet another fantasy MMO like Aion would be generic.

For me it's not the gameplay, it's the art style. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it looks like a culmination and combination of many lame sci-fi and fantasy art styles, into something that doesn't have a strong aesthetic or style.

It just looks so uninspired and unoriginal.

Sure, in MMO terms it's probably has unique gameplay but the art is does not look unique in either video games or other media (films, etc).

Oh yeah, and that topless thing they did with one of the character models. That was an incredibly lame and transparent act to net people who love boobies and not too familiar with games into playing it. Can anyone argue otherwise? Yes, sex sells and advertising is advertising. But really...